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Hello friends! Recently, inspired in part by the reportage of the journaliste John Pollock, who, amidst and among his daily doings, noted that he had been playing a good deal of Baseball Mogul of late ("Oh John," his interlocuter Wai Ting was heard to reply, "not Baseball Mogul again . . ."), I too, have returned to the world of baseball simulation in earnest, taking the 1985 Blue Jays of the secondary world of subcreation all the way to the seventh game of the World Series against the New York Mets (that particular game cut me to the quick, I do not mind revealing to you in all candor), and continuing on merrily beyond. This renewed enthusiasm for baseball simulation (and simulacra!) led me to search through my abandoned Twitter account to find what it was that I had to say, exactly, when I first gave the more-widely-played-than-Baseball-Mogul-but-not-by-me Out of the Park (also a great game!) a solid try a few years ago, and I found that I quite liked what I happened upon in that thread ("Bowsprit cracked with ice and paint cracked with heat. / I made this, I have forgotten / And remember," as Eliot said one time), and wanted to make a record of it here at Baseball Feelings, as a follow-up, of sorts, to the 2022 post "Baseball Simulators: Are Baseball Feelings Simulators," in which I shared a different baseball-simulator Twitter-thread, a 2021 one that chronicled "a long and peculiar Baseball Mogul game (saved as 'Carlos Delgado 2001 til the end'), whose premise had been "what if when I moved to Toronto exactly twenty years ago it was not to go to grad school but instead to run the Toronto Blue Jays and, crucially, be friends with Carlos Delgado." Revisiting that one, the Carlos Delgado one, I can see that things got lightly out of hand, but at the same time, how can you not be romantic about simulated baseball, as a simulated Billy Beane once nearly said to an even more simulated Paul DePodesta-esque simulation?
The Out of the Park thread that I have dug up, and that I share with you now, actually predates all of that Carlos Delgado-centered Baseball MogulISM, I am somewhat surprised to see. The particular version of the game I was playing at the time was OOTP21, before the game was sold to a mobile game company (I wonder if that helped or hurt the pay-to-play microtransaction stuff I already found lightly gross about it!), and before 日本野球機構 Nippon Yakyū Kikō / Nippon Professional Baseball / NPB was abruptly ripped out of later iterations of the game by a universally despised forced-download patch on Steam (hey sorry guys, we got a mean email from Konami, and now your game that you already paid for has to be worse). Anyway! Away we go! I should note that if you have never played a baseball simulator for computers (I am sure you have played a regular baseball video game at some point, and those are great too of course!), I really cannot recommend the pursuit highly enough, whichever one you choose to turn a portion of your intellectual and emotional life over too. There are others, certainly, but Out of the Park and Baseball Mogul are the ones I know well enough to say anything about. Out of the Park goes deeply deeply deeply on sale in the off-season (or at least it used to? under previous ownership? maybe still does?), and the mobile version is really quite inexpensive at all times (though I feel like, when it first came out, it was literally free, and then you could buy the particular season you wanted to start from? because I am pretty sure I had it on my phone for a time? but now do not?); Baseball Mogul, too, is nearly always discounted, it seems, from its already totally fair price, but its designer Clay Dreslough also makes every edition of the game free after a few years (why not snag Baseball Mogul 2021 for literally zero dollars here, if you have not previously?).
But enough preamble! Here then, after all of that, is an old thread from a Twitter account I no longer post at, addressing a computer game I played for a bit.
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Oct 29, 2020: "out of the park baseball" is on sale for v. little money rn so I got the most recent one (having not played in years) and my first impression is man idk about this
Oct 29, 2020: I got it not cuz I weary of baseball mogul (of which the weariest will never weary [if the weariest are me]) but cuz of how:
you can do NPB/KBO leagues which sounds sikk
p. much everybody says it has gotten way better than baseball mogul
it is 75% off for hallowe'en (ok!)
Oct 29, 2020: it is a little disheartening that right after you buy the game & install it (for several thousand hours) it invites you to play PERFECT TEAM mode which seems to be like a freemium game (except you already bought a thing) where you buy packs of cards like hearthstone or something
Oct 29, 2020: I started an 87 Blue Jays game and skipped into the play-by-play mode p. quickly cuz I heard it was 3d now (it def wasn't last time I played one of these!) and it is "of an ass" like why would it be like this
Oct 29, 2020: it's weird cuz all the menus and the overlays on the field are super fancy and modern looking (mb too much so tbh) and then the terrible player models are like bleep bloop blort but in a way that is kind of shit (rather than kind of shitty, and thus possibly neat, if you see)
Oct 29, 2020: I was again a little disheartened BUT in no time at all I had another game started with 北海道日本ハムファイターズ Hokkaidō Nippon-Hamu Faitāzu as Hakodate is, as you know, sister city to Halifax
Oct 29, 2020: there we were at KLEENEX STADIUM MIYAGI (クリネックススタジアム宮城, Kurinekkusu Sutajiamu Miyagi) against the Gōruden Īgurusu! this might still be neat!
(I will let you know)
Oct 29, 2020: gonna consult "An absolute beginner’s guide to the game of OOTP Baseball: Come, let us be baseball video game dinguses together" (Kate Preusser/Grant Bronsdon) cuz I think I am so baseball mogul-conditioned that idek where to look for things (link here)
Oct 30, 2020: UPDATE I AM THE GREATEST OOTP PLAYER WHO HAS EVER LIVED as my 1987 Blue Jays are 17-3 after a month but also when I finished simming this same month I had like 40 emails to read as though this were in fact an email simulator
Oct 30, 2020: mb this is something ppl really like but ootp is kind of a having-an-actual-job simulator with all these fvkkn emails & also *specific* things your boss wants you to do and it's nothing sikk like "employ willie upshaw in perpetuity" or else you get fired from yr computer game
Oct 30, 2020: a thing I find goofy with modern video games (or ones from like twelve years ago, the last ones I have) is all the ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED! stuff which is unfortunately here too like ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED! LLOYD MOSEBY HIT STREAK! like dude "the shaker" would never say that
Oct 30, 2020: now I am 37-10 with 91 emails
I was gonna say it would be weird to be simming like 19th century stuff and getting all these emails but I guess it's pretty anachronistic to be getting them in 1987 too (should be payphone calls from scouts with bad marriages imo)
Oct 30, 2020: unless you are method man sending me messages on my motorola sidekick in def jam fight for new york I do not want to get emails in computer games I don't think
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED! TONY FERNANDEZ HAS A 26-GAME HITTING STREAK may christ welcome him
I am 56-19 with 194 emails
Oct 30, 2020: idk if it's every time but when I open up the game it is v. insistent you go and CONSUME CONTENT OF VARIOUS KINDS AT SOME WEBSITES uhhhhh sorry dude I am here to unlock achievements and check my emailz
Oct 30, 2020: it is July 1st and Tim Raines is hitting .420 (not for me but I am happy for the Expos) and four players have 70+ RBI (George Bell at 76!) wtfffff
Oct 30, 2020: 59-20 (ten games up on the Tigers!) with 163 unchecked emails in my inbox when the simulation stops to show me an especially important email from my owner that says I still haven't upgraded at second base like he asked DUDE I AM 39 GAMES OVER .500 WITH MANNY LEE YOU MUST CHILL
Oct 30, 2020: OOTP 1987 Blue Jays are now 70-26 and had seven players selected to the AL All-Star Team (Jimmy Key, Steib, Henke, Ernie Whitt [5.5 WAR!], Tony Fernandez, George Bell, Lloyd Moseby)
it stopped my simulation for roster issues not of my making but I fixed it
I have 204 emails
Oct 30, 2020: you get these emails from your scouts that revise their assessments of players which makes sense but it is weird to get a message that revises someone's speed, like yeah the first time I saw him he was fast but now he isn't I guess, sorry that's on me
Oct 30, 2020: getting a bunch of these
Oct 30, 2020: THE 1987 BLUE JAYS SEASON HAS COME TO AN END w/ 103 wins but alas lost a one-game playoff to Detroit but the important thing is that everybody played hard & the computer kept stopping to say there were players somewhere in the organization w/o roster spots
I have 367 emails
Oct 30, 2020: YOU HAVE UNLOCKED THE FOLLOWING ACHIEVEMENT: SEASON OVER -- GREAT JOB
lol idk about any of this
also the Mets have won the World Series
I have 389 emails
Oct 30, 2020: I do appreciate the encouragement tho
Oct 30, 2020: you have to hire all the staff which is mb a little much especially when you get rebuffed by your heroes so unceremoniously
(also they got his date of birth wrong)
Oct 30, 2020: oh SHIT though I upped the offer and he's in
next up: mr. belvedere
Oct 30, 2020: to take my 103-win OTTP 1987 Blue Jays to the next level I am gonna have to trade for Bo Jackson
Oct 30, 2020: lol it turns out that if you set it up to use historical roster and lineups but do so inexpertly (that's me!) it disable both trades and the draft lol
Oct 30, 2020: here I am playing baseball simulators for computer in my nice green sweater
Oct 30, 2020: THE DATE IS FRIDAY JULY 1, 1988 and the Toronto Blue Jays lead the AL East w/ a p. tasty record of 52-27; my key off-season additions of Bo Jackson (-0.2WAR) and Alfredo Griffin (0.0WAR) have yet to settle in but they probably will because of how I like them
I have 637 emails
Oct 30, 2020: that you hire staff is on the whole a needlessly tedious element of the game imo but when somebody proposes a trade and a note on your screen says "Assistant GM Bob Uecker says, 'This is not too bad!'" it is kind of a big deal for me emotionally
Oct 30, 2020: WELL WELL WELL LOOK WHO'S COMING AROUND ON MANNY LEE
I do not like the owner at all and also why am I dealing with him and not Paul Beeston? this is nonsensical
Oct 30, 2020: I have accepted the Expos offer of Dennis Martinez in exchange for youngsters Todd Stottlemyre and Pat Borders against the advice of Assistant GM Bob Uecker but I value his counsel more than he could ever know
I am going to win the fvkkn World Series
I have 671 emails
Oct 30, 2020: an email from my scouting director has informed me that Alfredo Griffin, at the age of thirty, has suddenly gotten faster
and tbh in this case I believe it
Oct 30, 2020: AL East champs (102-59)
Rance Mulliniks stepped up after the Kelly Gruber trade (for Bo [who is still figuring it out])
do not be fooled by Alfredo Griffin's 100 OPS+ (it is because he apparently appeared in no games lol oops I let the computer decide)
Tony Fernandez forever
Oct 30, 2020: oh wait there was one day left: 103-59
lololololol Rance Mulliniks had 225 hits and won the AL batting title (.348) this game is frivolous TO MY ADVANTAGE
Oct 30, 2020: the 1988 ALCS shall be contested between the late-Exhibition-Stadium-era Toronto Blue Jays and the Oakland Athletics . . . of the Bash Brothers (fast lovers)
Oct 30, 2020: play by play mode in this game is imo awful (more on that later) which is actually better than if it was just kind of bad in which case you would slog through it but in this case you just sim and read summaries OF YOUR CECIL FIELDER WALK OFF 1-0 DAVE STEIB FOUR-HITTER ALCS GAME 1
Oct 30, 2020: eight-inning of shut out from Jimmy Key and a three-run bomb from RANCE MULLINIKS is all you need for ALCS Game 2
Oct 30, 2020: seven scoreless innings from Dennis Martinez (I do not and could never hold this against Bob Uecker) and a 10th-inning Rance Mulliniks (lol wtf) double cashed in by MANNY LEE THIS IS UNCANNY oh shit more like unmanny
Oct 30, 2020: LLOYD MOSEBY CASHES IN ERNIE WHITT IN THE 10th OFF DENNIS ECKERSLY FOR THE SWEEP
WE ARE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES AGAINST THE CINCINATTI REDS (r.i.p. to the pirates in six)
PROBABLY TOMORROW BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY LATE AND I HAVE GROCERY STORE SUSHI
ALSO I HAVE 853 EMAILS
Oct 31, 2020: it is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the 1988 OOTP Toronto Blue Jays have fallen to the Cincinnati Reds as Chris Sabo came across in a two-run bottom of the tenth in a game that saw Dennis Martinez himself knock in a run (lol the NL is wild man)
I have 865 emails
Oct 31, 2020: WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED well let's see
it is sometimes cautioned that ootp is too complex, but you can let the computer do almost all the things you don't want to except get emails
imo it is not that it is too complex so much as the interface is cumbersome yeah I said it cumbersome
Oct 31, 2020: it is sometimes said that ootp is hard to get good results in but I have def never won 103 games in consecutive seasons in baseball mogul so how true can that be (lol I will prob lose 100 games if I let it go another season though); plz remember that I am not good at these games
Oct 31, 2020: in terms of æsthetics ootp does not really succeed for me in that the menus (& the game is naught but them) are all wearingly supersaturated and of a style that is like idk like you were gonna play MLB 10: The Show (perhaps other ones also but I don't have those) but just in menus
Oct 31, 2020: the modern look of everything seems to be what many ppl like of it but imo it just looks like everything else and why would you want baseball to look modern in any way
it is undeniably decorous with like how topps 2020 cards look though (no diss I have a set of these) so whatevz
Oct 31, 2020: one might well contrast ootp's deliberate supersaturated glare of ultramodernity with the soothingly haphazard windows 3.1 vapourwæve lethargy of baseball mogul æsthetics and then real quick guess which one I like better lol
Oct 31, 2020: a couple of other ways baseball mogul is better I think aside from its low-key unlicensed/jostenswæve vibez are first that it is a tiny and super fast program that makes no demands on your computer (it is p. much a spreadsheet lol) whereas ootp is a bit of a hog for what it is
Oct 31, 2020: and secondly baseball mogul totally has play-by-play mode figured out and has for like at least ten years; all of the several ootp play-by-play views, even the one that copies the mogul one, range from awful to make me seasick lol (I have read that this gets other ppl too)
Oct 31, 2020: if all you ever do is sim games in bunches this wouldn't matter at all but I really like play-by-play mode! it is how you really *connect* with alfredo griffin running heedlessly into ruinous outs
Oct 31, 2020: I think the ideal baseball simulator TO ME would be baseball mogul with NPB, KBO, and Minor League mods but nobody seems to be modding baseball mogul anymore (the humble baseball card mod remains the greatest of all mods imo) so I get it, ootp is v. good too
Oct 31, 2020: ootp's advantages are imo mainly that 1) it has all kinds of non-MLB leagues (with iffy rosters in NPB right? idk about the KBO ones) and 2) (probably more important for lots of ppl) you can change *everything* whereas baseball mogul just does mlb (but imo does so v. pleasingly)
Oct 31, 2020: ootp's disadvantages are that it is garish and complicit with power
Oct 31, 2020: that plus play-by-play mode
Oct 31, 2020: IN SUMMATION ootp is still like no money cuz of the hallowe'en sale and baseball moguls up to/including the 2017 one are utterly free (they charge money for the new ones they make) and Each Holds Its Place in the Divine Economy imo
ty for yr attn to these matters
more later mb!
Oct 31, 2020: oh dang my ootp season score is 921 which the computer describes as "phenomenal" and characterizes me as "a genius" lol I must warn you young lady I am susceptible . . . to flattery
Oct 31, 2020: there is no way alfredo griffin would *ever* dm this to me, this is a major AI failure
Oct 31, 2020: 3rd AL East title in a row, this game is EASY (87-75 this year though, huge decline) and Tony Fernandez (8.9WAR) is "op" as fvkk *but I like that*
ken griffey jr. has arrived and he hit like .360 as part of his like 1.000 ops or something
once again I will ALCS w/ tha A'zzzzz
Oct 31, 2020: AND SO ENDS OUR TIME TOGETHER ON THIS PARTICULAR OOTP SAVE I BELIEVE as I thank you once more for your time and note in closing that I have 908 emails even though hundreds seemed to have deleted once they were a year old
what a game
Nov 1, 2020: just when I thought I was "out" (of the park baseball 21) they pull me back in haha as I was offered both orel hersheiser and kirby puckett for not that much (yes plz) and 97-65 and a FOURTH consecutive AL East title & yet also this to deal with, what the hekk (plz see attached)
Nov 1, 2020: IRL Tony Fernandez had seasons of 5.5 and 5.6 WAR at his best; here's OOTP Tony Fernandez in the five seasons of this sim in which I am an AL East juggernaut: 7.9 8.0 8.1 8.1 10.5
TEN POINT FIVE WAR, this game is frivolous / Tony Fernandez fielding smooth, like an exquisite fish
Nov 1, 2020: my ALCS rotation of Orel Hersheiser, Juan Guzman, Dave Steib, and Jimmy Key has proven too much for the Chicago White Sox especially since John Olerud hit like .500 in the seriesssssssss look out Cincinnati Reds
I wonder if in this sim Marge Schott is still racist
Nov 1, 2020: in case you are too yung to know: "She [Schott] was banned from managing the team by MLB from 1996 through 1998 due to statements in support of German domestic policies of Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler; shortly afterwards, she sold the majority of her share in the team."
Nov 1, 2020: Harpo notes: "She referred to Eric Davis and Dave Parker was 'million dollar n-words who aren't worth a damn.' and she didn't understand why people were mad."
fully reprehensible also imagine being so blinded by hatred that you couldn't even tell that those specific guys rule
Nov 1, 2020: you know who is great in these simulation games? Greg Myers, which is sikk because 2003 Greg Myers is for sure my all-time fav season by a Blue Jays catcher
(they were calling him "Crash" at that point which I think happens to p. much all old catchers but I bet they all like it)
Nov 1, 2020: DAMN IT lost to the Reds in six games and got WKRPwned 11-3 in the clincher
as a "Blue Jays choke in every season prior to 1992" simulator OOTP21 is so far flawless
Nov 1, 2020: 90 wins was not enough for the 1992 Blue Jays to finish any better than third but Tony Fernandez has led the league with 10.2 WAR and even more importantly with 15 triplzzzzz
irl tony fernandez is one of the thirty best SS ever by WAR
ootp tony fernandez is gonna break top ten
Nov 1, 2020: 1993: 92 wins (another 8.8 WAR for Tony Fernandez!) and the team owner is threatening to fire me
and now we see the violence inherent in the system
Nov 1, 2020: THE 1993 MONTREAL EXPOS ARE WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS and to such an extent, like you wouldn't believe the year Larry Walker had
Nov 1, 2020: while the expos GM is unthrilled with my attempts to secure both marquis grissom and randy johnson without giving up all that much, my spirits are bolstered, as ever, by assistant GM bob uecker
Nov 1, 2020: once you know which buttons to press when your simulation gets stopped over some deep-dive orginizational roster tedium that seems like a chore, the problem of there being way too much to do in OOTP completely disappears, you just let the AI take care of things like . . .
Nov 1, 2020: that said I win like 90 games a year with Tony Fernandez headed to the HOF on the first FRIKKIN ballot easy but it looks like I'm gonna get fired so it's a mixed bag
current inbox status: 892 emailz
Nov 1, 2020: 1995: another AL East title; another 6.2 WAR for Tony Fernandez whose 79.0 career WAR has him the fifth best shortstop in the history of baseball (I'M *SAYIN*); another 784 emails that contain demonstrably unnecessary information
playoffs bb let's gooooooooo
Nov 1, 2020: far enough along in the timeline now that other GMs are like hey how about these several baseball players you do not love in exchange for yung Carlos Delgado whom you do and Assistant GM Bob Uecker is like "I don't know about this one, boss" and I am like you said it Uke
Nov 1, 2020: Orioles in three, Brewers in seven, now the Mets in the World Series and look at this beautiful lineup I have assembled thru no guile but instead feelingz (my big three starters are Juan Guzman, Orel Hersheiser, Jimmy Key, assembled similarly)
note MANNY LEE
# l o y a l t y
Nov 1, 2020: omg it happened
Nov 1, 2020: Orel Hersheiser (whose model Louisville glove I have had since like '91) pitched a game seven two-hitter at Shea Stadium and that's it, these 1995 OOTP Toronto Blue Jays join the 1985 Baseball Mogul Toronto Blue Jays as the only simulated baseball teams I won with/did not ruin
Nov 1, 2020: I would like to thank you all very much for joining me on this extraordinary journey thru pretendball (dj brilliant's important term) and huginn (thought) and muninn (memory) and 心 kokoro/shin (mind/heart/spirit)
I have 803 emails
Nov 1, 2020: imagine if you dare how ripped Assistant GM Bob Uecker is gonna get tonight
Nov 2, 2020: and so this OOTP save has run its course with the retirement of Tony Fernandez with a career WAR of 90.2 making him the third best shortstop ever (Honus Wagner, Cal Ripken Jr.) and a better career than, like, Ken Griffey Jr.
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And that would seem to be where we left things! I may well start up another OOTP game, I am now thinking, once my current Baseball Mogul exercise at last attains whatever final form awaits it in the fullness of time (maybe pretty good? a pretty good form? not too bad a one? still way too early to tell).
KS